{"id":2654,"date":"2021-11-10T08:32:31","date_gmt":"2021-11-10T08:32:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cromarville.wordpress.com\/?p=2654"},"modified":"2023-05-11T13:42:31","modified_gmt":"2023-05-11T17:42:31","slug":"jannet-margaret-and-isobel-untangle-the-post-jacobite-roberts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/williamcromar.com\/cromarbaile\/2021\/11\/10\/jannet-margaret-and-isobel-untangle-the-post-jacobite-roberts\/","title":{"rendered":"Jannet, Margaret, and Isobel untangle the post-Jacobite Roberts"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

In our post Jannet Dun or Janet Dunn or Janet Dune, c. 1720-1770?<\/a>, we discovered previously unknown sources that provide potential new insights as to the makeup of the Cromar’s family and origins, and I promised a post that would revisit the thorny problem of the many Roberts that we have never conclusively solved. Not having a clear record to either confirm or deny the linkage between Robert 1717, his father Peter 1690, and his son John 1755 had created an inconclusive end to the exploration of that patrilineal blood line. Although I’m very happy with the virtual work I’ve been able to do while locked out of Scotland during the pandemic, it meant one mission of this journal, which was to provide as definitive a lineage to Peter as possible, was so far up in the air it could be classified as stratospheric.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

New primary sources<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

But as I’ve started to dig into the genealogy of the Cromar wives<\/a>, starting with Janet Bonar<\/a>, wife of Peter, and moving up in time to Jannet Dun<\/a>, wife of Robert, even more new material has been unearthed, amazingly much of it from hitherto unknown primary sources. We have members of the Utah branch of the Cromar diaspora to thank for posting these historic documents to Family Search \u2014 and I have the Cromar wives revealed therein to thank for potentially untangling the many Robert Cromars who seem to be kicking around the Howe of Cromar and environs in the confusing post-Jacobite era!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In this post, we will combine the cross-comparison table developed in Jannet Dun’s post<\/a> with this new historical material to draw some conclusions that I believe will shore up the record and confirm identities for the various Roberts. We may even be able to shore up the theoretical blood line to Peter Cromar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Family record redux<\/h2>\n\n\n\n

Recall this table from our previous post, included here in whole to simplify references to it:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mother<\/th>Child<\/th>Born<\/th>Place<\/th>Died<\/th>FS<\/th>WS<\/th>FG<\/th>SP<\/th>Ot<\/th><\/tr><\/thead>
Jannet<\/td>George 1<\/sup><\/td>1743<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25fc\ufe0e<\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>James<\/a> 2<\/sup><\/td>1747<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td><\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Isabel<\/a> 3<\/sup><\/td>1749<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Robert<\/td>1752<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25fc\ufe0e<\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Rebeca<\/a> 4<\/sup><\/td>1752<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Janet 5<\/sup><\/td>1753<\/td>Aboyne<\/td>1846<\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Alexander<\/td>1754<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25fc\ufe0e<\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>John<\/a><\/td>1755<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Peter<\/a> 6<\/sup><\/td>1757<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Elizabeth<\/a> 7<\/sup><\/td>1763<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>James<\/a> 8<\/sup><\/td>1766<\/td>Aboyne<\/td>1825<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
Margaret 9<\/sup><\/td>George<\/a> 10<\/sup><\/td>1772<\/td>Aboyne<\/td>1829<\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/tr>
<\/td>Alexander 11<\/sup><\/td>1775<\/td>Aboyne<\/td><\/td>\u25cf<\/td><\/td><\/td><\/td>\u25fc\ufe0e<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table>
Raw Concatenation of the family of Jannet Dun and Robert Cromar from various sources<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
KEY<\/h6>\n\n\n\n

FS: <\/strong>Family Search | WS: <\/strong>Waifs and Strays | FG: <\/strong>Find A Grave | SP: <\/strong>ScotlandsPeople | OT: <\/strong>Other primary source | \u25fc\ufe0e under OT<\/strong>: Christening record for Alexander 1775
For the purposes of this study we consider FG<\/strong>, SP<\/strong>, and OT<\/strong> to contain the most reliable data.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

NOTES<\/h6>\n\n\n\n

1 | Date inferred by witness to christening of Alexander, son of brother Robert.
2 | Only listed at SP, suggests confirmation of a second Robert contemporary to Robert 1717 in Aboyne.
3 | SP record 1749 listed as 1747 at WS.
4 | Confirmed record for both Jannet and Robert, unusual for the time.
5 | Headstone at Kirkton of Aboyne burial ground.
6 | SP records only for marriage and birth of children, no<\/strong> birth record or connection to parents.
7 | SP record for 1763 links to parent George, not<\/strong> Robert.
8 | SP record 1766 listed as 1765 at FS.
9 | Surname Nichol<\/strong> at WS, Smith<\/strong> at FS and in Ron Cromar’s note. Discussion of surname also found in comments on christening record for Alexander 1775.
10 | FG record<\/a> claims birth 1776 with no documentation, whereas SP confirms 1772.
11 | A controversy at FS assigns Alexander to two sets of Roberts, one wed to Margaret Smith<\/strong> and another to Isobel Ley<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Anomalies<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

As we look at this data with a critical eye, several suspicious anomalies bear deeper scrutiny:<\/p>\n\n\n\n